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Comment on BPMN Method and Style - Now Available by nickbroom

nickbroom — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:11:25 +0000

That’s great Bruce - thanks for such a speedy reply; I look forward to reading your book!

Thanks

Nick

Comment on BPMN Method and Style - Now Available by bruce

bruce — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:51:24 +0000

Nick,
Usually changes in the Finalization Task Force (FTF) phase are minor, bugs reported by implementers (tool vendors). The book focuses on the elements visible in the diagram, whereas I would expect any changes to be in the invisible executable details underneath, maybe minor tweaks to the schema. I would be shocked if the key new diagram elements discussed in the book - non-interrupting events, event subprocesses, and Escalation event - were eliminated or changed significantly.
–Bruce

Comment on BPMN Method and Style - Now Available by nickbroom

nickbroom — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 08:34:49 +0000

Hi Bruce,

The reviews of this book certainly look awesome and I enjoy the articles on this site, my only query before I purchase it is: given that BPMN 2.0 is yet to be signed off, what is the likelihood of change to the standards discussed in your book based on that sign-off?

Thanks

Nick

Comment on A Standard for Case Management? by bruce

bruce — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 00:33:55 +0000

Keith,
I think it should be possible to extend BPMN to better model case management, but I agree with you that OMG is an unlikely source of progress in this area, as the bmi thread clearly indicates. I think we could get further by convening an informal group of interested parties to play around with some ideas around scenarios and notation. I’ll count you in, maybe get Malcolm Ross (Appian) and Paul Tazbaz (Wells Fargo) to contribute as well. All BPMN people. And I’ll trade you a copy of my book for a copy of the 2009 Workflow Handbook.
–Bruce

Comment on A Standard for Case Management? by kswenson

kswenson — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:42:06 +0000

Good summary. Perhaps this post contains a hint as to why my style of drawing a process diagram represent a “state” which remains static until acted upon by people or other external events. The activities don’t “execute” to completion, but rather are flags that indicate to everyone that the execution is going on, but actually simply wait for the signal that execution is complete. That makes a kind of equivalence between “control flow” and human/external events. Interstage BPM has always offering a continuum of possibilities between completely pre-determined processes and completely dynamic add-each-step-as-you-get-to-it style processes. I am overjoyed to see people discussing the importance of case management. While it is clear that BPMN would need extensions, it remains to be seen if OMG is the place for this discussion.

There are a number of articles on Case Management in the new 2009 Workflow Handbook, especially in regard to use in government.

Comment on A Standard for Case Management? by malcolm.ross@appian.com

malcolm.ross@appian.com — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:32:02 +0000

Hey Bruce,

I couldn’t agree with you more about the lame support for ad-hoc activities in the current BPMN spec. I think having processes that combine both ad-hoc activities with sequenced activities is much more powerful. As you have also noted, with case management it is important to also look at the relationship of data and process. I have always seen case management processes to be more data centric where processes simply manipulate the data of the case in either sequenced or ad-hoc events. There could be several processes interacting with the same data for a case occuring asynchronously.

Look forward to seeing what recommendations you would offer around case management.

Malcolm Ross
Director Product Management
Appian

Comment on BPMN Method and Style - Now Available by AlWilkinson

AlWilkinson — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:36:13 +0000

Congratulations, Bruce!
I expect this work will help elevate the level of discourse, and improve a lot of the work being done.
(My copy is on its way.)
Looking forward, aw

Comment on BPMN Method and Style - Now Available by sca

sca — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:50:29 +0000

Really looking forward to getting my hands on this book, Bruce!
Regards,
Steinar Carlsen

Comment on Get BPMN Method and Style First… for Free by jferguson

jferguson — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:31:36 +0000

I figured as much. Look forward to checking out your book. Hopefully BizAgi will get the 2.0 changes into their next release, then I’ll be all set. I’m assuming they will considering they are listed as co-authors. Thanks!

Comment on Get BPMN Method and Style First… for Free by bruce

bruce — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:03:29 +0000

Thanks Jeff. Well, anything can happen. It might not even pass on June 22, although I would be greatly surprised. I expect the changes in the FTF period to be mostly in the area of minor inconsistencies between the XSD and the metamodel (UML), details of executable BPMN, and graphics interchange. None of those would affect the book, which is really focused on the information in the diagram itself and how it is used to define non-executable models.