Comments on: BPMN Method and Style – Now Available http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2009/06/11/bpmn-method-and-style-now-available/ Bruce Silver's blog on business process management Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:22:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Sam Paakki http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2009/06/11/bpmn-method-and-style-now-available/comment-page-1/#comment-7049 Sam Paakki Sat, 10 Oct 2009 00:37:15 +0000 http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/?p=561#comment-7049 Hi Bruce, Thank you providing this excellent resource! The dictionary/BPMN 2.0 analogy is very appropriate. :) I also loved the education/training one. :) I'm totally on board with the 3 levels, in fact I see another level at about 0.5, but I won't go into that now. I'm interested to hear your views on semantic quality and its relationship to each of your top two levels (assuming the execution semantics of level 3 are 100% accurate). Is it okay at level 1 to model something that is not of high semantic quality, given the reduced palette and possibly lower training/education level of the modeller. Is this the same for level 2? I'm considering things like multiple-instance pools (chp13). Also, does your book cover parallel multiple events anywhere? Seems to be very level 3 to me. Kind regards Sam Hi Bruce,

Thank you providing this excellent resource! The dictionary/BPMN 2.0 analogy is very appropriate. :) I also loved the education/training one. :)

I’m totally on board with the 3 levels, in fact I see another level at about 0.5, but I won’t go into that now. I’m interested to hear your views on semantic quality and its relationship to each of your top two levels (assuming the execution semantics of level 3 are 100% accurate).

Is it okay at level 1 to model something that is not of high semantic quality, given the reduced palette and possibly lower training/education level of the modeller. Is this the same for level 2? I’m considering things like multiple-instance pools (chp13).

Also, does your book cover parallel multiple events anywhere? Seems to be very level 3 to me.

Kind regards
Sam

]]> By: ppiot http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2009/06/11/bpmn-method-and-style-now-available/comment-page-1/#comment-7031 ppiot Sun, 26 Jul 2009 17:48:58 +0000 http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/?p=561#comment-7031 Hello Bruce, I've ordered your book and look forward to reading it. As someone who is new to BPM and BPMN, I'm wondering if you can tell me if using BPMN to model process control flows can or is likely to replace Lean's Value Stream Mapping as a way to optimize business processes? Our organization has adopted SAP's ERP software and their ARIS modelling tool. They've begun to implement SAP in one region of the global enterprise and within a few years we'll be adopting it too. Can you tell me if I'd be wasting my time by starting to map our processes using Lean's VSM tools? Does it make more sense for me to learn BPMN and start mapping using ARIS? I guess the real question is: Is there a place for VSM if BPMN is adopted companywide? Regards, Paul Hello Bruce,
I’ve ordered your book and look forward to reading it.

As someone who is new to BPM and BPMN, I’m wondering if you can tell me if using BPMN to model process control flows can or is likely to replace Lean’s Value Stream Mapping as a way to optimize business processes?

Our organization has adopted SAP’s ERP software and their ARIS modelling tool. They’ve begun to implement SAP in one region of the global enterprise and within a few years we’ll be adopting it too. Can you tell me if I’d be wasting my time by starting to map our processes using Lean’s VSM tools? Does it make more sense for me to learn BPMN and start mapping using ARIS?

I guess the real question is: Is there a place for VSM if BPMN is adopted companywide?

Regards,
Paul

]]> By: nickbroom http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2009/06/11/bpmn-method-and-style-now-available/comment-page-1/#comment-7021 nickbroom Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:11:25 +0000 http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/?p=561#comment-7021 That's great Bruce - thanks for such a speedy reply; I look forward to reading your book! Thanks Nick That’s great Bruce – thanks for such a speedy reply; I look forward to reading your book!

Thanks

Nick

]]> By: bruce http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2009/06/11/bpmn-method-and-style-now-available/comment-page-1/#comment-7020 bruce Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:51:24 +0000 http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/?p=561#comment-7020 Nick, Usually changes in the Finalization Task Force (FTF) phase are minor, bugs reported by implementers (tool vendors). The book focuses on the elements visible in the diagram, whereas I would expect any changes to be in the invisible executable details underneath, maybe minor tweaks to the schema. I would be shocked if the key new diagram elements discussed in the book - non-interrupting events, event subprocesses, and Escalation event - were eliminated or changed significantly. --Bruce Nick,
Usually changes in the Finalization Task Force (FTF) phase are minor, bugs reported by implementers (tool vendors). The book focuses on the elements visible in the diagram, whereas I would expect any changes to be in the invisible executable details underneath, maybe minor tweaks to the schema. I would be shocked if the key new diagram elements discussed in the book – non-interrupting events, event subprocesses, and Escalation event – were eliminated or changed significantly.
–Bruce

]]> By: nickbroom http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2009/06/11/bpmn-method-and-style-now-available/comment-page-1/#comment-7019 nickbroom Wed, 01 Jul 2009 08:34:49 +0000 http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/?p=561#comment-7019 Hi Bruce, The reviews of this book certainly look awesome and I enjoy the articles on this site, my only query before I purchase it is: given that BPMN 2.0 is yet to be signed off, what is the likelihood of change to the standards discussed in your book based on that sign-off? Thanks Nick Hi Bruce,

The reviews of this book certainly look awesome and I enjoy the articles on this site, my only query before I purchase it is: given that BPMN 2.0 is yet to be signed off, what is the likelihood of change to the standards discussed in your book based on that sign-off?

Thanks

Nick

]]> By: AlWilkinson http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2009/06/11/bpmn-method-and-style-now-available/comment-page-1/#comment-7015 AlWilkinson Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:36:13 +0000 http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/?p=561#comment-7015 Congratulations, Bruce! I expect this work will help elevate the level of discourse, and improve a lot of the work being done. (My copy is on its way.) Looking forward, aw Congratulations, Bruce!
I expect this work will help elevate the level of discourse, and improve a lot of the work being done.
(My copy is on its way.)
Looking forward, aw

]]> By: sca http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2009/06/11/bpmn-method-and-style-now-available/comment-page-1/#comment-7014 sca Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:50:29 +0000 http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/?p=561#comment-7014 Really looking forward to getting my hands on this book, Bruce! Regards, Steinar Carlsen Really looking forward to getting my hands on this book, Bruce!
Regards,
Steinar Carlsen

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