Comments on: OMG!! It’s About Process Execution? Who Knew??

By: identigral

identigral — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:33:45 +0000

Bruce,

I am not arguing for or against, I think the discussion is worth a post rather than being buried in comments.

By: bruce

bruce — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 20:11:49 +0000

Just to be perfectly clear… I am not trying to speak for implementors re positioning BPMN vs BPEL. That is a marketing question, not a technical one. I am just comparing the specs. The data definition and mapping section is nearly the same. The human task model is aligned with BPEL4People. What part of BPEL is NOT in BPMN 2.0? I don’t see anything…

By: identigral

identigral — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:44:45 +0000

Bruce,

Thanks for the update. I found your comment to Kirill about implementors positioning BPMN as a replacement of BPEL very interesting, perhaps you could clarify in another post. My thoughts (on a not completely related subject but still related are here

By: Kirill_Lis

Kirill_Lis — Sat, 04 Apr 2009 09:33:39 +0000

“BPMN 2.0 is a couple weeks away from its equivalent of “code freeze””

Can you say now whether it really able to replace BPEL as an execution standard or not?

Kirill

By: bruce

bruce — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 18:59:10 +0000

Kirill,
These questions must be answered by the implementors, e.g. Oracle, IBM, etc. Whether they position BPMN 2.0 as a replacement of BPEL or a front end to BPEL is up to them.
–Bruce

By: Kirill_Lis

Kirill_Lis — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 12:08:06 +0000

Bruce, I can not understand several points about new standard.
Please, answer several questions

How this new specification will impact BPMN-BPEL alliance?
Are not BPMN 2.0 and BPEL intersect now?
Is there any need in BPEL for BPMN 2.0 adopters, if BPMN 2.0 artifacts will include implementation details?
Will BPMN 2.0 models be processed by process engines directly?

Thank you in advance.

Kirill Lis

By: hbraun

hbraun — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 07:23:41 +0000

At least the diagrams will be schema-valid!

Right, a large step into the right direction.