Comments on: Oracle BPM Roadmap http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2008/09/26/oracle-bpm-roadmap/ Bruce Silver's blog on business process management Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:22:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: OracleのBPM戦略とロードマップ « 岩田研究所 http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2008/09/26/oracle-bpm-roadmap/comment-page-1/#comment-7143 OracleのBPM戦略とロードマップ « 岩田研究所 Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:12:14 +0000 http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/?p=368#comment-7143 [...] 2008年9月26日のブルースシルバーBPMS Watchブログに「Oracle BPM Roadmap」と題してその内容が投稿されていたので私見を交えて紹介したい。 [...] [...] 2008年9月26日のブルースシルバーBPMS Watchブログに「Oracle BPM Roadmap」と題してその内容が投稿されていたので私見を交えて紹介したい。 [...]

]]> By: kunalrshah http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2008/09/26/oracle-bpm-roadmap/comment-page-1/#comment-6932 kunalrshah Tue, 03 Feb 2009 03:21:01 +0000 http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/?p=368#comment-6932 I agree with a lot of what Bruce has said. ORALCE BPM roadmap surely points towards a more complete product suite and more advanced enterprise-grade capabilities. (Application Grid, Coherence Distributed Caching, and Enterprise Manager) - used rightly could add tremendous value and advance the already feature-rich ALBPM capabilities & make it more robust. What is going to be critical, is to preserve the interests of the large community of people utilizing AquaLogic BPM and how well the migration path (& toolset) is from ALBPM 6.0 or OBPM 10g to OBPM 11g. The one aspect that I'm not too crazy about is the dependence of ORACLE BPA Suite on IDS-Scheer suite. IDS-Scheer is a very comprehensive product and probably has a lot of good functionality/features; but it is also very complex, and not so easy to use. Wider adoption across an enterprise is harder, with such a complex tool. It is obviously an important aspect for an BPM expert's toolbox. I can't help but wonder about the length of the OEM deal with IDS-Scheer. Will it last? Will ORACLE acquire IDS-Scheer and address some of the pitfalls of ARIS (complexity, exclusivity) and make it more simple? If this acquisition does happen - will ORACLE also apply the "interoperate, integrate, UNIFY" (more emphasis on unify) with its core BPM capabilities? Cheers, Kunal Sr. Enteprise Architect, BPM Strategy Previously, Global Engineering Lead, BPM Platform Financial Services Company I agree with a lot of what Bruce has said. ORALCE BPM roadmap surely points towards a more complete product suite and more advanced enterprise-grade capabilities. (Application Grid, Coherence Distributed Caching, and Enterprise Manager) – used rightly could add tremendous value and advance the already feature-rich ALBPM capabilities & make it more robust.

What is going to be critical, is to preserve the interests of the large community of people utilizing AquaLogic BPM and how well the migration path (& toolset) is from ALBPM 6.0 or OBPM 10g to OBPM 11g.

The one aspect that I’m not too crazy about is the dependence of ORACLE BPA Suite on IDS-Scheer suite. IDS-Scheer is a very comprehensive product and probably has a lot of good functionality/features; but it is also very complex, and not so easy to use. Wider adoption across an enterprise is harder, with such a complex tool. It is obviously an important aspect for an BPM expert’s toolbox.

I can’t help but wonder about the length of the OEM deal with IDS-Scheer. Will it last? Will ORACLE acquire IDS-Scheer and address some of the pitfalls of ARIS (complexity, exclusivity) and make it more simple? If this acquisition does happen – will ORACLE also apply the “interoperate, integrate, UNIFY” (more emphasis on unify) with its core BPM capabilities?

Cheers,
Kunal
Sr. Enteprise Architect, BPM Strategy
Previously, Global Engineering Lead, BPM Platform
Financial Services Company

]]> By: Column 2 by Sandy Kemsley : Oracle-BEA Strategy http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2008/09/26/oracle-bpm-roadmap/comment-page-1/#comment-6875 Column 2 by Sandy Kemsley : Oracle-BEA Strategy Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:54:19 +0000 http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/?p=368#comment-6875 [...] Oracle’s Borg-like acquisition of BEA back in June, and Bruce Silver recently agreed that Oracle knows how to do acquisitions right, and discussed the Oracle middleware product strategy outlined at Open World last [...] [...] Oracle’s Borg-like acquisition of BEA back in June, and Bruce Silver recently agreed that Oracle knows how to do acquisitions right, and discussed the Oracle middleware product strategy outlined at Open World last [...]

]]> By: marianob http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2008/09/26/oracle-bpm-roadmap/comment-page-1/#comment-6852 marianob Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:46:44 +0000 http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/?p=368#comment-6852 Couple comments regarding Intalio's statement about BPMN 2.0 - BPMN 2.0 is not final, and it will have some changes, specially in visual diagram, persistence and some execution semantics. - Oracle BPM do not require import/export if you don't use BPA. AquaLogic BPM can be used as a complete development environment. Using BPA is an extra value for enterprise modeling, while process modeling can be done completely in BPM. - It is natural for vendors to offer similar products, this actually shows a maturity of the market and vendors. - A year from now, Oracle BPM Suite will gather an impressive set of products that together will create a really powerful BPM Infrastructure to deploy enterprise wide BPM applications. MAriano Oracle BPM Architect. Couple comments regarding Intalio’s statement about BPMN 2.0

- BPMN 2.0 is not final, and it will have some changes, specially in visual diagram, persistence and some execution semantics.

- Oracle BPM do not require import/export if you don’t use BPA. AquaLogic BPM can be used as a complete development environment. Using BPA is an extra value for enterprise modeling, while process modeling can be done completely in BPM.

- It is natural for vendors to offer similar products, this actually shows a maturity of the market and vendors.

- A year from now, Oracle BPM Suite will gather an impressive set of products that together will create a really powerful BPM Infrastructure to deploy enterprise wide BPM applications.

MAriano
Oracle BPM Architect.

]]> By: mhug http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2008/09/26/oracle-bpm-roadmap/comment-page-1/#comment-6848 mhug Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:16:24 +0000 http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/?p=368#comment-6848 Interesting enough to see Oracle presenting a sound strategy in BPM: it proves they believe in BPM's take off, which is good news for any BPM vendor. However is that collection of technical bricks different from what all other vendors propose, being licence based or service based -open source- vendors? How does that dramatically change productivity, ROI and IT value? At RunMyProcess we believe we dramatically change the form factor of traditional Business Process Engines. No longer need for a large budget to get started, no longer need to take risk in deploying a large and unfamiliar piece of infrastructure in several environments (development, test, production…). That, and many more acelerators, are already configured and available "as a service". ROI within 3 to 6 months is possible, it's just a matter of changing the game's rules, toward users' interest, at last... Interesting enough to see Oracle presenting a sound strategy in BPM: it proves they believe in BPM’s take off, which is good news for any BPM vendor.

However is that collection of technical bricks different from what all other vendors propose, being licence based or service based -open source- vendors? How does that dramatically change productivity, ROI and IT value?

At RunMyProcess we believe we dramatically change the form factor of traditional Business Process Engines. No longer need for a large budget to get started, no longer need to take risk in deploying a large and unfamiliar piece of infrastructure in several environments (development, test, production…). That, and many more acelerators, are already configured and available “as a service”. ROI within 3 to 6 months is possible, it’s just a matter of changing the game’s rules, toward users’ interest, at last…

]]> By: IT|Redux - Oracle Gets It http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2008/09/26/oracle-bpm-roadmap/comment-page-1/#comment-6847 IT|Redux - Oracle Gets It Fri, 26 Sep 2008 21:20:05 +0000 http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/?p=368#comment-6847 [...] friend Bruce Silver has a nice post describing Oracle’s BPM roadmap. From support for BPMN 2.0 and BPEL 2.0, to integration with [...] [...] friend Bruce Silver has a nice post describing Oracle’s BPM roadmap. From support for BPMN 2.0 and BPEL 2.0, to integration with [...]

]]> By: ghalimi http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2008/09/26/oracle-bpm-roadmap/comment-page-1/#comment-6846 ghalimi Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:17:03 +0000 http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/?p=368#comment-6846 Bruce, Very nice article! Interestingly enough, Oracle's stack looks very much like Intalio|BPMS. Same components, same support for BPMN 2.0, BPEL 2.0, and BPEL4People. Differences? - Intalio|BPMS is available today. - Intalio|BPMS is available for free (not just the tool, the whole BPMS) - Our designer is built on Eclipse. - Our designer does not require import/export of models from a separate tool. Enjoy! -Ismael Bruce,

Very nice article! Interestingly enough, Oracle’s stack looks very much like Intalio|BPMS. Same components, same support for BPMN 2.0, BPEL 2.0, and BPEL4People. Differences?

- Intalio|BPMS is available today.
- Intalio|BPMS is available for free (not just the tool, the whole BPMS)
- Our designer is built on Eclipse.
- Our designer does not require import/export of models from a separate tool.

Enjoy!

-Ismael

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