Comments on: Oracle Unveils Plans for BEA http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2008/07/01/oracle-unveils-plans-for-bea/ Bruce Silver's blog on business process management Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:51:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Anil Jaising http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2008/07/01/oracle-unveils-plans-for-bea/#comment-6677 Anil Jaising Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:49:31 +0000 http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2008/07/01/oracle-unveils-plans-for-bea/#comment-6677 Having worked with BEA, WebMethods and Tibco suite extensively for many years, I think the overall Oracle Strategy makes sense. I am a bit confused about the Portal component. I always believed that the BEA portal is best of the breed both for J2EE and dotnet platforms. Any insight into this? Having worked with BEA, WebMethods and Tibco suite extensively for many years, I think the overall Oracle Strategy makes sense. I am a bit confused about the Portal component. I always believed that the BEA portal is best of the breed both for J2EE and dotnet platforms. Any insight into this?

]]> By: alexandra http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2008/07/01/oracle-unveils-plans-for-bea/#comment-6654 alexandra Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:16:52 +0000 http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2008/07/01/oracle-unveils-plans-for-bea/#comment-6654 Thank you for your quick answer and please forgive my disappearing words :-)...English is not my first language. My main experience comes from ECM - we have used Documentum for 3 years and some experience from Alfresco and Hummingbird as well. BPM is "growing on" me so to say and I have so far been impressed what we can achieve with Documentum BPM. What would you consider the main difference from the large enterprise BPM-platforms and the ones provided by EMC and others? Thank you for your quick answer and please forgive my disappearing words :-)…English is not my first language.

My main experience comes from ECM - we have used Documentum for 3 years and some experience from Alfresco and Hummingbird as well. BPM is “growing on” me so to say and I have so far been impressed what we can achieve with Documentum BPM.

What would you consider the main difference from the large enterprise BPM-platforms and the ones provided by EMC and others?

]]> By: bruce http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2008/07/01/oracle-unveils-plans-for-bea/#comment-6653 bruce Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:42:33 +0000 http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2008/07/01/oracle-unveils-plans-for-bea/#comment-6653 I think she was just agreeing with my comment. Documentum Process Suite is fine as document workflow with all the BPMS trimmings, as is FileNet P8. If you want a BPMS for that specifically, it's great. The issue for IBM and Oracle is different, because those vendors have strategic "enterprise BPM" offerings, and it would not be a great technical challenge to add content services to them. As more mainstream BPMS vendors add content services, e.g. via Alfresco, Oracle and IBM are going to have to change their strategy. I think she was just agreeing with my comment. Documentum Process Suite is fine as document workflow with all the BPMS trimmings, as is FileNet P8. If you want a BPMS for that specifically, it’s great. The issue for IBM and Oracle is different, because those vendors have strategic “enterprise BPM” offerings, and it would not be a great technical challenge to add content services to them. As more mainstream BPMS vendors add content services, e.g. via Alfresco, Oracle and IBM are going to have to change their strategy.

]]> By: alexandra http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2008/07/01/oracle-unveils-plans-for-bea/#comment-6652 alexandra Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:21:08 +0000 http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2008/07/01/oracle-unveils-plans-for-bea/#comment-6652 Interestiing comment from Sandy. What do you of EMC Document's content-centric workflow approach? Especially since they unveiled their full process suite including their BAM based on ProActivity... Interestiing comment from Sandy. What do you of EMC Document’s content-centric workflow approach? Especially since they unveiled their full process suite including their BAM based on ProActivity…

]]> By: Sandy Kemsley http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2008/07/01/oracle-unveils-plans-for-bea/#comment-6651 Sandy Kemsley Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:22:25 +0000 http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2008/07/01/oracle-unveils-plans-for-bea/#comment-6651 I completely agree with your last point: I think that IBM has totally screwed up with the FileNet document-centric workflow scenario, and Oracle risks doing the same. No reason not to use the "real" BPM product for document-centric processes. I also think that they have to do something to come up with a single process modeling environment. My coverage of the briefing <a href="http://www.column2.com/2008/07/oracle-bea-strategy-briefing/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. I completely agree with your last point: I think that IBM has totally screwed up with the FileNet document-centric workflow scenario, and Oracle risks doing the same. No reason not to use the “real” BPM product for document-centric processes.

I also think that they have to do something to come up with a single process modeling environment.

My coverage of the briefing here.

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