Comments on: More on Model Autogeneration http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2007/02/10/more-on-model-autogeneration/ Bruce Silver's blog on business process management Sat, 06 Sep 2008 22:59:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: frenchbrian http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2007/02/10/more-on-model-autogeneration/#comment-550 frenchbrian Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:24:41 +0000 http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2007/02/10/more-on-model-autogeneration/#comment-550 I agree IDS-Scheer's PPM is a powerful tool, however one of the issues I've heard about it is the requirement for professional services to be involved in every installation. Can anyone confirm or refute this? I agree IDS-Scheer’s PPM is a powerful tool, however one of the issues I’ve heard about it is the requirement for professional services to be involved in every installation. Can anyone confirm or refute this?

]]> By: carlosk2 http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2007/02/10/more-on-model-autogeneration/#comment-475 carlosk2 Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:04:13 +0000 http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2007/02/10/more-on-model-autogeneration/#comment-475 Bruce, First of all, my congratulations for his defense of BPMN (BPMN is great). Be careful on IDS/PPM. There are many hidden traps. We tested exastivamente the PPM recently. What the PPM does in the recomposition of the process is not special feature at all is a limitation because of not managing to recover the original process. The PPM recomposes the process simply putting the activities side by side, according to the sequencia that they were logged. PPM only can recognize the sequencia is not able to reconstitute a real process flow not even of recompose the complex gateway or manuals activities or launched compensations. Bruce,

First of all, my congratulations for his defense of BPMN (BPMN is great).
Be careful on IDS/PPM. There are many hidden traps. We tested exastivamente the PPM recently. What the PPM does in the recomposition of the process is not special feature at all is a limitation because of not managing to recover the original process. The PPM recomposes the process simply putting the activities side by side, according to the sequencia that they were logged. PPM only can recognize the sequencia is not able to reconstitute a real process flow not even of recompose the complex gateway or manuals activities or launched compensations.

]]> By: wvdaalst http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2007/02/10/more-on-model-autogeneration/#comment-466 wvdaalst Mon, 12 Feb 2007 07:41:56 +0000 http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2007/02/10/more-on-model-autogeneration/#comment-466 ARIS PPM is one of the first BI tools that is process aware. (Most BI tools look at an aggregated level without assuming/discovering an explicit process model.) However, PPM is indeed not doing any magic. The user either needs to model the process beforehand or a dedicated connector is used (e.g., for SAP or Staffware) that is specific for a particular process. This implies that PPM can only be used if the process is already known beforehand and it cannot be used to “discover” processes. However, it is possible to do process discovery using open source tools such as ProM (prom.sourceforge.net). ProM is a process mining framework offering dozens of process discovery tools. The discovered models can be generated based on event logs without any a-priori modeling and uploaded into ARIS and many other tools. Moreover, ProM also allows for conformance checking. See www.processmining.org for more information about process mining. ARIS PPM is one of the first BI tools that is process aware. (Most BI tools look at an aggregated level without assuming/discovering an explicit process model.) However, PPM is indeed not doing any magic. The user either needs to model the process beforehand or a dedicated connector is used (e.g., for SAP or Staffware) that is specific for a particular process. This implies that PPM can only be used if the process is already known beforehand and it cannot be used to “discover” processes.

However, it is possible to do process discovery using open source tools such as ProM (prom.sourceforge.net). ProM is a process mining framework offering dozens of process discovery tools. The discovered models can be generated based on event logs without any a-priori modeling and uploaded into ARIS and many other tools. Moreover, ProM also allows for conformance checking. See http://www.processmining.org for more information about process mining.

]]> By: bruce http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2007/02/10/more-on-model-autogeneration/#comment-465 bruce Sat, 10 Feb 2007 22:11:39 +0000 http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2007/02/10/more-on-model-autogeneration/#comment-465 You're saying Czech companies fear it because it works too well? You should contact IDS; this testimonial would make great advertising copy in the US! Somehow I doubt that's it... --Bruce You’re saying Czech companies fear it because it works too well? You should contact IDS; this testimonial would make great advertising copy in the US! Somehow I doubt that’s it…
–Bruce

]]> By: VaclavSynacek http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2007/02/10/more-on-model-autogeneration/#comment-464 VaclavSynacek Sat, 10 Feb 2007 20:42:20 +0000 http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2007/02/10/more-on-model-autogeneration/#comment-464 Yes, PPM is great (even without the magic). But why after 3 years the customers are just beginning to try it out? After the presentation of PPM at my university one year ago, someone asked this question. The IDS people didn't say it loud, but I got the impression that here in Czech Republic (and I know this can be <em>very</em> different elsewhere) some managers fear PPM because it could make their corporations more transparent than they would ever like them to be. Or at least that is how I interpreted the much more diplomatic reply. Yes, PPM is great (even without the magic). But why after 3 years the customers are just beginning to try it out? After the presentation of PPM at my university one year ago, someone asked this question. The IDS people didn’t say it loud, but I got the impression that here in Czech Republic (and I know this can be very different elsewhere) some managers fear PPM because it could make their corporations more transparent than they would ever like them to be. Or at least that is how I interpreted the much more diplomatic reply.

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