Comments on: Watch Out for Oracle http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2006/09/29/watch-out-for-oracle/ Bruce Silver's blog on business process management Sat, 06 Sep 2008 22:50:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: BPMS Watch » Almost Live from Process World http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2006/09/29/watch-out-for-oracle/#comment-453 BPMS Watch » Almost Live from Process World Thu, 08 Feb 2007 22:47:49 +0000 http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2006/09/29/watch-out-for-oracle/#comment-453 [...] Oracle’s Devesh Sharma plowed similar turf in his talk.  We’ve written about this before, but now they’re almost ready to ship the product.  Oracle’s BPA Suite is ARIS plus some Oracle SOA extensions that flesh out the mapping to the executable BPEL process - human tasks, business rules, stuff that BPEL leaves out.  The thing they used to call Outliner is now called Oracle Business Process Blueprint.  From what I could see in the demo, it’s really two things: 1) extensions to BPEL to hold info from the process model that standard BPEL doesn’t provide, what Oracle calls “shared metadata”; and 2) a new graphical notation to display/enter that metadata, which is essentially ARIS Event-driven Process Chains (EPC) with the shapes changed to look like BPMN shapes and the overall look similar to Oracle’s BPEL Process Designer.  (EPC and BPMN are not all that different semantically, but a little.)  Is adding a hybrid notation moving the ball forward?  Not sure.  I asked Dr Jost if they could envision supporting a future version of BPMN that merged it with EPC.  The answer, very polite and diplomatic, was basically no. [...] [...] Oracle’s Devesh Sharma plowed similar turf in his talk.  We’ve written about this before, but now they’re almost ready to ship the product.  Oracle’s BPA Suite is ARIS plus some Oracle SOA extensions that flesh out the mapping to the executable BPEL process - human tasks, business rules, stuff that BPEL leaves out.  The thing they used to call Outliner is now called Oracle Business Process Blueprint.  From what I could see in the demo, it’s really two things: 1) extensions to BPEL to hold info from the process model that standard BPEL doesn’t provide, what Oracle calls “shared metadata”; and 2) a new graphical notation to display/enter that metadata, which is essentially ARIS Event-driven Process Chains (EPC) with the shapes changed to look like BPMN shapes and the overall look similar to Oracle’s BPEL Process Designer.  (EPC and BPMN are not all that different semantically, but a little.)  Is adding a hybrid notation moving the ball forward?  Not sure.  I asked Dr Jost if they could envision supporting a future version of BPMN that merged it with EPC.  The answer, very polite and diplomatic, was basically no. [...]

]]> By: Dirk http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2006/09/29/watch-out-for-oracle/#comment-293 Dirk Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:46:47 +0000 http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2006/09/29/watch-out-for-oracle/#comment-293 Hello everybody, it seems that ORACLE got to the point when they decided to create the "Business Process Outline" Model. But within this approach there is still a question unanswered: how to avoid a semantic mixture within the business and IT related models? Following the modeling method suggested by ORACLE this is still the case. From our experience this can only be solved if you create loosely coupled models without a direct relationship. A possible solution is described under: http://www.computerwoche.de/heftarchiv/2006/42/1216430/ Comments welcome Dirk Hello everybody, it seems that ORACLE got to the point when they decided to create the “Business Process Outline” Model. But within this approach there is still a question unanswered: how to avoid a semantic mixture within the business and IT related models? Following the modeling method suggested by ORACLE this is still the case. From our experience this can only be solved if you create loosely coupled models without a direct relationship. A possible solution is described under: http://www.computerwoche.de/heftarchiv/2006/42/1216430/

Comments welcome

Dirk

]]> By: Sandy Kemsley http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2006/09/29/watch-out-for-oracle/#comment-266 Sandy Kemsley Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:45:08 +0000 http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2006/09/29/watch-out-for-oracle/#comment-266 Well, that last comment would have been more effective with the last words, "Gartner BPM summit in March" and the link to my blog posting that talked about it:http://www.ebizq.net/blogs/column2/archives/2006/03/gartner_bpm_sum_9.php Well, that last comment would have been more effective with the last words, “Gartner BPM summit in March” and the link to my blog posting that talked about it:http://www.ebizq.net/blogs/column2/archives/2006/03/gartner_bpm_sum_9.php

]]> By: Sandy Kemsley http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2006/09/29/watch-out-for-oracle/#comment-265 Sandy Kemsley Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:44:12 +0000 http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2006/09/29/watch-out-for-oracle/#comment-265 Not surprising: Sinur at Gartner predicted that Oracle was the best contender of the "power vendors" to close the gap to a BPMS solution, back at the <a>. Not surprising: Sinur at Gartner predicted that Oracle was the best contender of the “power vendors” to close the gap to a BPMS solution, back at the .

]]> By: 2252 http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2006/09/29/watch-out-for-oracle/#comment-246 2252 Mon, 09 Oct 2006 14:01:25 +0000 http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2006/09/29/watch-out-for-oracle/#comment-246 The question of integration is not just limitted to the enterprise suits. In the long-term the integration has to take place with the societal members that create events which necessatitates an enterprise response. Business Rules Management Systems (BRMS) andBusiness Process Management Systems ( BPMS) are only a sub-set of societal rules and societal processes. In the global economy, there is a new market for individual to societal integration ITSI) software and individual to societal management (ITSM) software. Are there any entrepreneurs that are willing to look ahead to these opportunities to exploit and get rich by serving those needs? The question of integration is not just limitted to the enterprise suits. In the long-term the integration has to take place with the societal members that create events which necessatitates an enterprise response.
Business Rules Management Systems (BRMS) andBusiness Process Management Systems ( BPMS) are only a sub-set of societal rules and societal processes.

In the global economy, there is a new market for individual to societal integration ITSI) software and individual to societal management (ITSM) software. Are there any entrepreneurs that are willing to look ahead to these opportunities to exploit and get rich by serving those needs?

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