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	<title>Comments on: What BPMS Can Learn From Business Rule Management</title>
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	<description>Bruce Silver's blog on business process management</description>
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		<title>By: More on integrating rules and processes &#124; Smart (Enough) Systems, the blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>More on integrating rules and processes &#124; Smart (Enough) Systems, the blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sandy Kemsley posted about a presentation on this topic she saw at a recent conference by Michael zur Muehlen his presentation is here (on slideshare) and is worth a visit. Sandy&#8217;s comments were, as usual, to the point and I only have one thing to add. Michael talks about using business rules to automate decisions but his formal models of rules and processes lack decision as an object. This is also a problem with the standards at the moment. I feel strongly that we must formally differentiate decisions and get both the BPM standards and the rules standards to agree on a definition of a decision so that we can better manage the intersection. Decisions are not like other tasks and should be modeled differently. Michael also made a good point about how business users think and it reminded me of this post from Bruce Silver where he discussed the challenge BPMS vendors need to overcome in terms of exposing the process to business users in a way they can manage much as BRMS vendors expose just some aspects of the rules in a decision to their business users. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Sandy Kemsley posted about a presentation on this topic she saw at a recent conference by Michael zur Muehlen his presentation is here (on slideshare) and is worth a visit. Sandy&#8217;s comments were, as usual, to the point and I only have one thing to add. Michael talks about using business rules to automate decisions but his formal models of rules and processes lack decision as an object. This is also a problem with the standards at the moment. I feel strongly that we must formally differentiate decisions and get both the BPM standards and the rules standards to agree on a definition of a decision so that we can better manage the intersection. Decisions are not like other tasks and should be modeled differently. Michael also made a good point about how business users think and it reminded me of this post from Bruce Silver where he discussed the challenge BPMS vendors need to overcome in terms of exposing the process to business users in a way they can manage much as BRMS vendors expose just some aspects of the rules in a decision to their business users. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Enterprise Decision Management - a Weblog</title>
		<link>http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2006/07/18/what-bpms-can-learn-from-business-rule-management/#comment-1838</link>
		<dc:creator>Enterprise Decision Management - a Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;SOA, BPM (and EDM) for Enterprise Applications...&lt;/strong&gt;

Bill Swanton and Ian Finley at AMR Research recently published "SOA and BPM for Enterprise Applications: A Dose of Reality" (subscription required). This paper considered the value of service-oriented architecture (SOA) and how it is to be found in b...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>SOA, BPM (and EDM) for Enterprise Applications&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Bill Swanton and Ian Finley at AMR Research recently published &#8220;SOA and BPM for Enterprise Applications: A Dose of Reality&#8221; (subscription required). This paper considered the value of service-oriented architecture (SOA) and how it is to be found in b&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: James Taylor's Decision Management</title>
		<link>http://www.brsilver.com/wordpress/2006/07/18/what-bpms-can-learn-from-business-rule-management/#comment-417</link>
		<dc:creator>James Taylor's Decision Management</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 00:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Business Rules and Business Process in 2007...&lt;/strong&gt;

David Kelly had a nice article on the BPM Market in 2007 that made me think about how the business rules and business process markets might co-evolve this year. "Many organizations that purchased BPM solutions over the past few years......</description>
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<p>David Kelly had a nice article on the BPM Market in 2007 that made me think about how the business rules and business process markets might co-evolve this year. &#8220;Many organizations that purchased BPM solutions over the past few years&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: processi &#187; Blog Archive &#187; over-if</title>
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		<dc:creator>processi &#187; Blog Archive &#187; over-if</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 07:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Talking about making the life of a process designer easier, I read that post from Bruce Silver, and I felt a bit shocked when reading &#8216;lesson 3&#8242;, OpenWFE is able to do that since at least three years. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Talking about making the life of a process designer easier, I read that post from Bruce Silver, and I felt a bit shocked when reading &#8216;lesson 3&#8242;, OpenWFE is able to do that since at least three years. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post Bruce. The issue of how best to get process owners and IT to collaborate on how the process (and its decisions) should work is a key one. The balancing act is always between making the technical integration/execution possible and exposing the real business definition (logic or process) to a business user so they can maintain it. This kind of business agility is something that is front and center for business rules.
See the business agility sections on my blogs for more - &lt;a href="http://www.ebizq.net/blogs/decision_management/business_agility/" rel="nofollow"&gt;ebizQ&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href="http://edmblog.fairisaac.com/weblog/business_agility/index.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;EDM&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post Bruce. The issue of how best to get process owners and IT to collaborate on how the process (and its decisions) should work is a key one. The balancing act is always between making the technical integration/execution possible and exposing the real business definition (logic or process) to a business user so they can maintain it. This kind of business agility is something that is front and center for business rules.<br />
See the business agility sections on my blogs for more - <a href="http://www.ebizq.net/blogs/decision_management/business_agility/" rel="nofollow">ebizQ</a> or <a href="http://edmblog.fairisaac.com/weblog/business_agility/index.html" rel="nofollow">EDM</a>.</p>
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