I don’t work for Oracle. I’m just curious, as I find that job postings on Dice are usually a good indicated of market leadership.

Ismael Ghalimi, CEO of Intalio makes some interesting statements in his blog regarding industry analysts…

Still struggling on some aspects of your response to one of my postings……

Thank you for the thoughtful responses.

For my two cents Intalio is a well kept secret belonging in the visionaries quadrant with hidden potential to vault into the leader’s quadrant based on their OSS (open source software) strategy, product maturation pace, proven ability to select the right architectural trends/components/standards, and a long history of innovating/understanding the BPMS space that very few other vendor have demonstrated.

They have however lacked on the sales side in the past but again I think their OSS strategy will make-up for this and plays to their other strengths. By the time the bigger players figure it out Intalio could be well on their way to becoming the MySQL of BPMS.

Four critical milestone for Intalio: the completion of their CE Edition, inclusion in a certified OSS stack like SpikeSource or Redhat, riding the AJAX forms wave with support for Adobe/MM, and an articulate SOA ESB strategy. I think they will do it having met and observed their team over time. They have real talent and real focus. That said I am not an analyst just an interested IT consultant / ex-IT exec.

Mark

We did not make it because our revenues are less than $20M. According to such a criteria, a company like JBoss would not make it either. Go figure…

Yet, I tend to believe that Gartner is not really supportive of Open Source in general, for the following reason: Gartner makes about a $1B a year by selling advisory services to vendors and customers. If your product is Open Source, it’s a lot easier for customers to try it by themselves in a real production environment, and decide whether or not it’s going to match their requirements. No need to pay an analyst for that, at least not a traditional one.

Open Source analyst firms such as RedMonk have understood that very well. So my advice is the following. If you want Intalio to appear on Gartner’s Magic Quadrant, ask them for it, especially if you’re a Gartner customer. And if you want a better Magic Quadrant to be developed, team up with other customers that have direct experience with multiple BPM products, and ask the good folks at RedMonk to write about it. My guess is that you’d come up with a very different Magic Quadrant this way, but this one might be a lot more useful to customers.

Best regards
-Ismael

Could comment on where oyu would place Intalio on the quadrant?

Thanks