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	<title>Comments on: 5 Things to Love About BPMN 2.0</title>
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	<description>Bruce Silver on business process management</description>
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		<title>By: Fan Yi</title>
		<link>http://www.brsilver.com/2009/03/26/5-things-to-love-about-bpmn-20/comment-page-1/#comment-1067</link>
		<dc:creator>Fan Yi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 02:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abuhaseera,

try this http://www.joinwork.com/download/JoinworkProcessStudio.exe

to see if that *.bpmn file (xml file in fact, you can open it by a text edit tool) fits your requirements.

Regards,
Fan Yi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abuhaseera,</p>
<p>try this <a href="http://www.joinwork.com/download/JoinworkProcessStudio.exe" rel="nofollow">http://www.joinwork.com/downlo.....Studio.exe</a></p>
<p>to see if that *.bpmn file (xml file in fact, you can open it by a text edit tool) fits your requirements.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Fan Yi</p>
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		<title>By: Abuhaseera</title>
		<link>http://www.brsilver.com/2009/03/26/5-things-to-love-about-bpmn-20/comment-page-1/#comment-1035</link>
		<dc:creator>Abuhaseera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 16:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi everybody,

Please I&#039;m wandering in thi topic since 20 days, I&#039;m using BPMN for the first time. If BPMN defined standard XML schema for interchanging BPMN models where I can find this schema?. While searching BPMN tools I find most of tools vendors use XPDL. Actually in my poject I need to take a standard format for BPMN as an input and till now I&#039;m wandering with choices: the semantic model of BPMN2 or XPDL?
Please Where I can find the standard XML schema for interchanging BPMN models?

Regards
Abuhseera</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi everybody,</p>
<p>Please I&#8217;m wandering in thi topic since 20 days, I&#8217;m using BPMN for the first time. If BPMN defined standard XML schema for interchanging BPMN models where I can find this schema?. While searching BPMN tools I find most of tools vendors use XPDL. Actually in my poject I need to take a standard format for BPMN as an input and till now I&#8217;m wandering with choices: the semantic model of BPMN2 or XPDL?<br />
Please Where I can find the standard XML schema for interchanging BPMN models?</p>
<p>Regards<br />
Abuhseera</p>
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		<title>By: TecNews: Noticias Tecnofagia</title>
		<link>http://www.brsilver.com/2009/03/26/5-things-to-love-about-bpmn-20/comment-page-1/#comment-756</link>
		<dc:creator>TecNews: Noticias Tecnofagia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] dos padrões também.Timeline de padrõesVocê pode conferir boas dicas do que vai ter de novo no bpmn aqui. Porém, existem algumas coisas ruins sobre o assunto, como por exemplo a possível continuidade da [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] dos padrões também.Timeline de padrõesVocê pode conferir boas dicas do que vai ter de novo no bpmn aqui. Porém, existem algumas coisas ruins sobre o assunto, como por exemplo a possível continuidade da [...]</p>
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		<title>By: BPM sem BPEL &#171; Training Tecnologia</title>
		<link>http://www.brsilver.com/2009/03/26/5-things-to-love-about-bpmn-20/comment-page-1/#comment-755</link>
		<dc:creator>BPM sem BPEL &#171; Training Tecnologia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 13:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] de padrões Você pode conferir boas dicas do que vai ter de novo no bpmn aqui. Porém, existem algumas coisas ruins sobre o assunto, como por exemplo a possível continuidade da [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] de padrões Você pode conferir boas dicas do que vai ter de novo no bpmn aqui. Porém, existem algumas coisas ruins sobre o assunto, como por exemplo a possível continuidade da [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tser04</title>
		<link>http://www.brsilver.com/2009/03/26/5-things-to-love-about-bpmn-20/comment-page-1/#comment-754</link>
		<dc:creator>tser04</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about serialization of BPMN2.0? The link between BPMN and XPDL until now has been that XPDL was representing the BPMN process diagram in xml code. Now apperantly being an executable language, is BPMN2.0 stored as xml code?

Please forgive me if i&#039;m not too well wandered in this BPM standards jungle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about serialization of BPMN2.0? The link between BPMN and XPDL until now has been that XPDL was representing the BPMN process diagram in xml code. Now apperantly being an executable language, is BPMN2.0 stored as xml code?</p>
<p>Please forgive me if i&#8217;m not too well wandered in this BPM standards jungle.</p>
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		<title>By: bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, there is XPDL, and I have written extensively about WfMC&#039;s efforts on behalf of BPMN portability.  (They seem to care about it more than OMG does.)  But XPDL is, after all, a &quot;borrowed&quot; schema.  It is not part of the BPMN standard and is frequently derided by many in OMG.  The XPDL schema has many elements not used by BPMN, stuffs BPMN elements into existing XPDL ones where they do exist, and adds new ones to make up for the difference.  But I agree it &quot;works&quot; for the diagram-related information in BPMN 1.x, for tool vendors that elect to support it.

We need more.  We need an officially sanctioned schema that is part of the BPMN specification, that uses BPMN-specific elements in its metamodel. And going forward, one that supports BPMN&#039;s execution-related elements and attributes that are not visible in the diagram.  BPMN 2.0 provides all that.

Having said that, I think XPDL will continue to play a role in real-world BPMN interchange, even once BPMN 2.0 ships, simply because WfMC understands better than OMG the issues involved in porting a process model from tool A to tool B, and cares more about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, there is XPDL, and I have written extensively about WfMC&#8217;s efforts on behalf of BPMN portability.  (They seem to care about it more than OMG does.)  But XPDL is, after all, a &#8220;borrowed&#8221; schema.  It is not part of the BPMN standard and is frequently derided by many in OMG.  The XPDL schema has many elements not used by BPMN, stuffs BPMN elements into existing XPDL ones where they do exist, and adds new ones to make up for the difference.  But I agree it &#8220;works&#8221; for the diagram-related information in BPMN 1.x, for tool vendors that elect to support it.</p>
<p>We need more.  We need an officially sanctioned schema that is part of the BPMN specification, that uses BPMN-specific elements in its metamodel. And going forward, one that supports BPMN&#8217;s execution-related elements and attributes that are not visible in the diagram.  BPMN 2.0 provides all that.</p>
<p>Having said that, I think XPDL will continue to play a role in real-world BPMN interchange, even once BPMN 2.0 ships, simply because WfMC understands better than OMG the issues involved in porting a process model from tool A to tool B, and cares more about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Pvanerk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pvanerk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like you I am really looking forward to the actual BPMN 2.0 implementations. Still, I have a question I would like to ask you.

You said there is no XML-interchange format for BPMN. So, what about XPDL (XML Process Definition Language - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XML_Process_Definition_Language). This format was defined by the Workflow Management Coalition in order to store BPMN-flows in an XML-format. A lot of BPMN-modelers have the opportunity to import or export to XPDL, so interchanging between tools shouldn&#039;t be a problem.

With regards,

Paul van Erk
&lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.process.io&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Process Wiki - your place for business processes&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like you I am really looking forward to the actual BPMN 2.0 implementations. Still, I have a question I would like to ask you.</p>
<p>You said there is no XML-interchange format for BPMN. So, what about XPDL (XML Process Definition Language &#8211; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XML_Process_Definition_Language" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X.....n_Language</a>). This format was defined by the Workflow Management Coalition in order to store BPMN-flows in an XML-format. A lot of BPMN-modelers have the opportunity to import or export to XPDL, so interchanging between tools shouldn&#8217;t be a problem.</p>
<p>With regards,</p>
<p>Paul van Erk<br />
<a href="http://wiki.process.io" rel="nofollow">The Process Wiki &#8211; your place for business processes</a></p>
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