Comments on: NetWeaver BPM and SAP's BPM Strategy http://www.brsilver.com/2009/01/21/netweaver-bpm-and-saps-bpm-strategy/ Bruce Silver on business process management Thu, 09 Feb 2012 22:38:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: comaru http://www.brsilver.com/2009/01/21/netweaver-bpm-and-saps-bpm-strategy/comment-page-1/#comment-712 comaru Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:33:51 +0000 http://www.brsilver.com/?p=416br#comment-712 Bruce, it's a plesure read something about BPM. I'm Project Manager, and I've been using ARIS / Solution Manager to design the so desired TO BE process that customer wants. I've been implementing SAP using Solman since phase 1 until 5; I think the most cause of problem in SAP implementation using ARIS/SOLMAN is that they're don't use these approved processes after Business Blueprint to run the integrated tests due a difficult of SOLMAN control; it's a shame, because when the customer validated his process, he believes that he will receive his process done as he desired, but he will see some difference. When projects using complete BPM resources closes with ARIS processes sincronized with SOLMAN, will be easier convince the customer that SAP/BPM will be invencible. Solution and Consulting need keep working together. Thanks Anselmo Comaru SAP/BPM Project Manager Bruce, it’s a plesure read something about BPM. I’m Project Manager, and I’ve been using ARIS / Solution Manager to design the so desired TO BE process that customer wants.

I’ve been implementing SAP using Solman since phase 1 until 5; I think the most cause of problem in SAP implementation using ARIS/SOLMAN is that they’re don’t use these approved processes after Business Blueprint to run the integrated tests due a difficult of SOLMAN control; it’s a shame, because when the customer validated his process, he believes that he will receive his process done as he desired, but he will see some difference. When projects using complete BPM resources closes with ARIS processes sincronized with SOLMAN, will be easier convince the customer that SAP/BPM will be invencible. Solution and Consulting need keep working together.

Thanks

Anselmo Comaru
SAP/BPM Project Manager

]]> By: bruce http://www.brsilver.com/2009/01/21/netweaver-bpm-and-saps-bpm-strategy/comment-page-1/#comment-711 bruce Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:58:24 +0000 http://www.brsilver.com/?p=416br#comment-711 The truth is somewhere in the middle. It is true that the BPM idea of "build for change" is more applicable at the edge than in the run-your-business core processes, where stability sometimes trumps agility. But it is also true that SAP's end goal is selling adaptable process solutions. The monolithic enterprise app architecture does not allow that as well as a composite app architecture layered on BPM/SOA middleware like Netweaver. So SAP knows they need to get there, but since they are not competing in the middleware business per se, they are in less of a hurry than Oracle. The truth is somewhere in the middle. It is true that the BPM idea of “build for change” is more applicable at the edge than in the run-your-business core processes, where stability sometimes trumps agility. But it is also true that SAP’s end goal is selling adaptable process solutions. The monolithic enterprise app architecture does not allow that as well as a composite app architecture layered on BPM/SOA middleware like Netweaver. So SAP knows they need to get there, but since they are not competing in the middleware business per se, they are in less of a hurry than Oracle.

]]> By: Anatoly Belychook http://www.brsilver.com/2009/01/21/netweaver-bpm-and-saps-bpm-strategy/comment-page-1/#comment-710 Anatoly Belychook Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:20:46 +0000 http://www.brsilver.com/?p=416br#comment-710 Bruce Thank you for the job. It's always fun when a vendor needs outer view to bring method to his madness. SAP's efforts to establishing BPM community are very impressive and probably this is what today BPM market needs most. On technology side, SAP seems to outpace Oracle in the run towards 21-st century SOA-ready BPM-aligned ERP. Getting back to your report, there is a vague point that hopefully you could clarify. You wrote: "SAP believes that the processes subject to continual change are not the customer?s core application processes. Sometimes called edge processes, they include functionality generally outside the realm of SAP Business Suite, as well as local variations of SAP Business Suite processes that cannot be accommodated by application configuration alone." People at SAP forum applause to this in a belief that they got your approval of the concept. Yet you wrote few pages down: "While its initial release emphasizes edge processes, SAP is evolving NetWeaver BPM to become a common process layer for core application processes as well." This makes me suspect that you don't share SAP's idea of fixed core processes, just understand their intention not to spoil existing processes wired into ERP package while making the first steps of BPM journey. Thank you AB Bruce
Thank you for the job. It’s always fun when a vendor needs outer view to bring method to his madness.
SAP’s efforts to establishing BPM community are very impressive and probably this is what today BPM market needs most. On technology side, SAP seems to outpace Oracle in the run towards 21-st century SOA-ready BPM-aligned ERP.
Getting back to your report, there is a vague point that hopefully you could clarify. You wrote: “SAP believes that the processes subject to continual change are not the customer?s core application processes. Sometimes called edge processes, they include functionality generally outside the realm of SAP Business Suite, as well as local variations of SAP Business Suite processes that cannot be accommodated by application configuration alone.”
People at SAP forum applause to this in a belief that they got your approval of the concept. Yet you wrote few pages down: “While its initial release emphasizes edge processes, SAP is evolving NetWeaver BPM to become a common process layer for core application processes as well.”
This makes me suspect that you don’t share SAP’s idea of fixed core processes, just understand their intention not to spoil existing processes wired into ERP package while making the first steps of BPM journey.
Thank you
AB

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